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audax · Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:41 am Post subject:

so what do you do different to get thew power you need. I did ask for discussion and analysis. I chose this vid at random to try to get some talk going around here.
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audax · Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:56 am Post subject:

so why can't you get power in that stance? It seems pretty nuetral to me so I'm wondering what it is that makes it hard to get power out of it for one person who is five three and another person who is six three.
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Hakon · Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:07 am Post subject:

I can regognise somebody who's forgotten more about good technique than I ever knew. That make me tend to watch and keep my gob shut.

H, who can throw a good shot like that, 6'3" ~210 and not a knight

Jesmond · Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:30 pm Post subject:

Sorry Audax, I've been busy.

It's not that I don't think His Grace is a goddamn fighting genius. Clearly, his Grace is a fighting god. I do every thing he tells me, every time I have the privilege of his instruction. (BTW, he has never told me to do that.) I can't explain why it doesn't work for me. It just doesn't. In general, I assume that's because I am comparatively small and weak. But I'll ask him what he thinks it is specifically next time I see him.

As for "keeping my gob shut" on a forum for FEMALE FIGHTERS, f**k you, Hakon. Yeah, I wonder why a guy who is not a knight but is 6'3" and 210 pounds can throw a good blow like that. It's a f**k ing mystery. Laughing

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rauokinn · Senior Club Member Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 484 : Items

We had Brannos out to An tir to teach a few years back -- I was blown away by him. what an outstanding human being and teacher. He did get me to throw quite a good blow with his technique -- I'm 5'7, female and way north of 200, but it is not what feels natural to me. I would imagine if I took 6 months and did nothing but Brannos technique, it would feel much more natural. I really wish I lived closer to him so I could pick his brain more and/or get schooled more by him. What I really thought was cool about brannos was that he was adamant that his way was just one way to do this and it was not gospel -- use what works.

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audax · Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject:

absolutely agree use what works. Ive watched him fight a bit and while that is where he starts off he doesn't stay there. It's just one place to start from.

I am curious to know what stances seem to be working: are they comfortable, mobile etc What makes them workable for you.

I ask all these question because all students should be making such analyses to get better.
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rauokinn · Senior Club Member Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 484 : Items

Right now, this is what is "working" -- feels natural, for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bj5rv8A_Yo

As you can see at the end, my hand comes back by my ear when I throw the killing blow instead of up in a modified iron chicken -- that is where I am most effective, hand up, elbow in.

Isabella E · Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:29 am Post subject:

I am basically using a similar stance to my fencing stance except a little more squared off when fighting sword and shield, sword foot back and with my weight a little more forward.
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Corby de la Flamme · Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 3:02 am Post subject:

I fight with my sword foot back.

Way back.

(Fixed the image. -Isabella E)

Very, very similar to how a batter lines up vs. a pitcher. If my feet are not on a line pointing at my opponent, I'm doing something wrong.

To generate power without having a hip and a shoulder back, you have to be very strong.

Brannos is Mid and I'm from Atlantia, and the common wisdom is that we hit harder. Sure, I can stand like Brannos in that video and throw blows, and get some people to take them. But a significant percentage of Atlantians won't, or won't often enough.

Brannos is a great guy and obviously successful, but I can't think of anyone besides Logan whose style is more fundamentally different from mine. Which is described in detail here.

audax · Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 6:16 am Post subject:

Corby, was Gyrth your knight? How many folks still use his style do you think?

I have tried the Oldcastle stance before and was so uncomfortable that I loathed sword and shield. I cannot derive power from that stance. Holding my swordside shoulder that far back kept me from rotating all the way through and having my sword foot behind my body put me so far off balance I usually fell over without any help from my opponent.

Raoukinn, what would you say the difference is in what you are doing versus what Brannos suggests?

I find this conversation fascinating.
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Hakon · Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 7:57 am Post subject:

Jess that gives me less than a stone on Sir Corby, who'd I'd bet is a better fighter than me to start with, and he can't do it so maybe it's not as simple as all that.

LadyLia · Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject:

I have tried using that stance a few times and there are a few things that I can think of that make it not for me:

1. I'm fighting lefty. I'd be interested in how he adjusts his guard for offhanded fights.

2. My muscle tone is horrendous. Between school and being ill, the gym just isn't happening. I prefer guards that let me cheat a bit more power out of them. With that guard, I would have to c**k my arm before I threw and then the shot would be so telegraphed it would be useless.

3. I wouldn't get the block on the sword side leg if someone was going for it. Well, I might eventually, but I don't want to put up with the hamburger leg learning curve that it would involve.

4. I'm not good at infighting, I really need to work on this. If I'm being pushed, I'm not quick to readjust my balance and with that stance, I would get knocked on my can.
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Corby de la Flamme · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:07 am Post subject:

Audax: No, I fight Oldcastle style, but I'm not an Oldcastle knight.

I got training from Daffydd & Richard, among other Oldcastle knights. And I read the book.

As for power, I'll note that both Oldcastle and baseball batters stand similarly to what they're trying to hit. Perhaps you had an interpretation problem.

Granted, Oldcastle style is not natural. It does not feel "comfortable."

But neither does getting hit in the swordside ribs. And about 2 months ago, I taught a 5'2", 95 lb woman I think I could pick up with one hand how to throw an Atlantian caliber killing blow, while she stood in good Oldcastle stance.

LadyLia, I don't know which stance you're talking about. Brannos' or Oldcastle?

Jesmond · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:33 am Post subject:

Sir Corby, do you have any video of people fighting sword and shield in the stance diagramed above? I cannot visualize in practice what is diagramed there. I do not understand.
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audax · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:04 am Post subject:

Corby, I am a lesbian. Softball is part of our DNA. I know how to hit a baseball and Oldcastle style ain't it. A good hitter lifts up the heel of their back foot when they swing. They have to.

To whit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuhwyV32aLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1a_T1SKqzM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBKr9NoyXk

Maybe it was an interpretation problem. But I took the stance diagram from the Oldcastle book with me to make sure I at least had my feet "right". I can't even walk like that much less throw a decent blow.
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