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audax · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:49 am Post subject: Madus...

suck.

Why, you ask? Because they are out of period (18th-19th centuries). Because unless you are Indian you'd never have used one. Because they simply game the system, which is freakin' LAME.

Real ones are too light to penetrate heavy European mail and not much for blocks against really heavy blows.

The only reason they have any use in the SCA is because of our rules set.

Discuss, argue, set my underpants on fire, whatever.
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Wu Yun · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject:

Isabella E · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject:

I think they are dumb because they game the system. IMO a cooler less cheaty weapon to use is inverted or 'Christian' greatsword, which Duke Jonathan von Trotha here in Atenveldt uses really well.
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Wu Yun · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject:

Isabella, I've never seen this style. No one fights it that I've seen in my kingdom. Do you have a picture or could you explain?

Isabella E · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject:

It's basically a greatsword built with a thrusting tip on the 'pommel' and used inverted, with a gauntlet. It's called Christian greatsword if I remember right because it resembles a cross the way you hold it. Here's a video of a guy fighting with one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78cGAhZlqc

I guess you could say it's not a big difference between the two, but a madu is pretty much the only way you can build a shield that you can also attack with. You're not really supposed to use your hands to block something with a great weapon or even a shield basket because it's not considered a legal target I think. So while a madu isn't expressly against the rules except in certain kingdoms there are people who have issued with it for not only being totally a-historical for anyone except african or maybe some asian or indian personas, it falls into a sort of legal grey area.

That's my maybe somewhat limited knowledge of the madu. It wouldn't be appropriate in any way for my kit or my persona so I don't have a reason to use one.
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Wu Yun · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject:

Thank you for explaining. Those are not legal in Meridies so that must be why I never heard of it. We're not allowed to have thrusting tips on each end of a one-handed weapon. Some have taken to calling it the anti-madu rule. Madus and anything like them have been pretty much thrown out. Anything over 48 inches can have thrusting tips on both ends, but when you're 5'3" that's just unweildy.

Wu Yun · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject:

Hmm...I believe my post and a reply from Audax somehow met at a dark party and had a strange child.

Perhaps she hit Edit instead of Quote on my post?

I am rethinking my earlier statement and considering a possible axe or hammer. Probably more towards the axe as I haven't found evidence of a hammer weapon in Chinese armories. It would work the same way, and should I lose my primary weapon for whatever reason, the fight can continue without a hold because I would still be armed (I'm a better two-handed fighter anyway).

Hmmmmmm... Scratchy, scratchy

Isabella E · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:28 am Post subject:

It's possible. I can't tell you how many times I've edited someone's post by accident instead of quoting and had to go back and fix it.
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