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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, while the Iron Rose is an interesting read and has some useful stuff, it has it's limitations. The Bellatrix material is much better and more versatile. We've discussed it here before.

When I work with new women fighters, they spend alot of effort trying to hit harder and only striking a surface blow. They wind up, they chamber, they grunt and throw as hard as they can and still only deliver a rather light shot. The upshot is, they aren't using the right set of physics.

In SCA combat, it is not sufficient to strike the surface. The blow must stick into the opponent. What this requires is use of the whole body plus follow through. In other words, the blow must originate in the back big toe, go through the posterior power chain (calves, hamstrings, butt, gut), into the shoulder girdle and out the hand into the stick. And at the end you must avoid starting th return too early. The exhortation to "use your hips", while well meant, is misleading. It makes people think of their body as separate pieces, when it is one piece. If you want power anyway.

I can throw a crippling blow with my left hand, which is my weakest hand. I do this by "corkscrewing" my body, even dropping my center a bit s I rotate. I can do the same with my right dominant hand. Sword foot forward, sheild foot forward, doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Shield leg Reply with quote

Shield leg forward.

For the same reason that baseball batters and golfers are dominant hand back.

I believe it is a cruel thing to suggest that someone who isn't powerfully upper body muscled should fight sword foot forward, at least if they live anywhere that an opponent requires any level of force on a good blow.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome aboard, Sir Corby.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kicking up some old dust here….

I've never been much of a fan of the sword-foot-forward style, based on the kinetics and physics of fighting. My personal martial arts background is in Tai Chi Chuan (mostly), and if you watch closely you'll see me using a little dragon/tiger style in my SCA heavy fighting. It works, helps keep power in my shots, keeps parts out of the way that don't need to be in the way, and if incorporated with the Ansteorran high-style then it can help you present a smaller target for your opponent. That doesn't mean you can't step around with the sword foot to deliver certain blows while up close and personal with the opponent, though.

Its much easier shown than typed. That being said, if any of the newer fighters would like to see, pull me aside should you spot me on the field. I've been out there since 1994 and won't be stopping any day soon.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My problem is not in delivering blows that get called. I authorized in Atlantia, and have been fighting with one of the most aggressive and heavy hitting groups since I started.

My problem is with follow-up blows. I have difficulty resetting quickly enough to deliver sufficiently powerful followup blows when fighting in a melee situation where I may face more than one opponent.

I've been meaning in improve that, but switched to spear this last year and have spent a lot of time with that instead.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audax wrote:
So, while the Iron Rose is an interesting read and has some useful stuff, it has it's limitations. The Bellatrix material is much better and more versatile. We've discussed it here before.

When I work with new women fighters, they spend alot of effort trying to hit harder and only striking a surface blow. They wind up, they chamber, they grunt and throw as hard as they can and still only deliver a rather light shot. The upshot is, they aren't using the right set of physics.

In SCA combat, it is not sufficient to strike the surface. The blow must stick into the opponent. What this requires is use of the whole body plus follow through. In other words, the blow must originate in the back big toe, go through the posterior power chain (calves, hamstrings, butt, gut), into the shoulder girdle and out the hand into the stick. And at the end you must avoid starting th return too early. The exhortation to "use your hips", while well meant, is misleading. It makes people think of their body as separate pieces, when it is one piece. If you want power anyway.

I can throw a crippling blow with my left hand, which is my weakest hand. I do this by "corkscrewing" my body, even dropping my center a bit s I rotate. I can do the same with my right dominant hand. Sword foot forward, sheild foot forward, doesn't matter.



As a brand new fighter, I look forward to reading up on Bellatrix and The Armored Rose.

I wanted to add that I agree how the exhortation to use one specific body part is kinda true while also being inaccurate. I had the pleasure of taking my first heavy fighter biomechanics classes from Max Von Halstern (who posts here sometimes), and his method (which was useful for me anyway) emphasizes the engagement of different body parts in a certain way separately, but in a rapid sequence that becomes more and more simultaneous as the fighter gains experience and muscle memory. The order he teaches for throwing (shield side forward) is turn, rotation, lock, extention, wrist. Turn is pivot the feet (like a golfer swinging into the shot). Rotation is rotaing the body as a whole, leading from a powerful snap of the hips. Lock is locking the joint/limb areas which would otherwise dissipate force if allowed to still be "soft" - the arm / elbow/shoulder (basically every shot-throwing part of the body above the hip) becomes frozen to transfer the shock of the hit from the legs/hips up the arm to the weapon. Extension is extending the arm as far as necessary (zero stem, short stem, long stem). Wrist is the flat planar flick/rotation of the wrist, as (like Max says) if passing a bowl of soup without spilling it.

I definitely understand about new women fighters' tendency to try hitting harder but landing only light surface shots. In my lessons from Max, he emphasized the need to have the right follow through (a hard enough shot) by throwing the shot to the opposite ear, rather than the near one, when targeting the head. In Max's words, this is "passing the soup to the opposite ear" as if slicing right through the head (reference "wrist" action above). Throwing a shot as if aiming to cleave through the body really makes a *big* difference in power generation.

This method may not be right for everyone, but maybe it will help someone needing to increase power.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a single sword I just try to hit everybody as hard as I can because I know I am never gonna hit them nearly as hard as your average Aten knight. I do not do that with a spear or a polearm though.
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