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Help Getting My Wife onto the Field
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: Help Getting My Wife onto the Field Reply with quote

Hi,

My wife actually was heavy fighting before I was. I thought it was completely nuts and I wanted to be a fencer. But as her husband, I just felt odd having her take the field when I would not (note the line from Henry V)

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And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.


What sort of man was I hanging back was that hung back while his wife fought? So I did the research and became a heavy fighter.

But in the meantime, my wife has gone through two pregnancies and living in seven houses in four states and three countries. And while I buy her equipment to fight, she never actually gets to the stage to ACTUALLY fighting. And I've bought two complete rigs now. Her latest kit is steel and leather for being a Samurai, and she is taking a long time lacing up the lames...and refuses to let anyone help because they won't do it right.

What am I doing wrong here?

Is it my gender?

Can I find a way to get her mentorship in this area?

I'll send her to this website with my login so it's easier for her to post. But she's usually busy with cub scouts, library and lots of other things.

Where did I go wrong? She was a rabid, almost minimalist SCA heavy fighter. Now she is a housewife, exclusively. It's true that she fought when she was 25 years old and 154 pounds, and now she is 34 years old and weighing in at 205 pounds. But her muscle tone is excellent, and her power is great when she practice-spars with me.

I think she lets me buy her gifts of armour to keep the illusion alive, but I know at one time she fought a lot.

I've even offered to put my armour away for a year or more and just focus on getting her into armour and watching the kids when we don't have a sitter available. I'd be her squire, for lack of a better term.

But that bait wasn't taken.

Where am I going wrong here?

Maybe if we set up sparring every night in her suit and mine? Sort of like a walk on the beach in moonlight, but more violent?

-Aaron
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Aaron,

Welcome.

I am going to let the women on this board reply to your question.

But for various admin reasons, it would be best if your wife had her own login name and password. It helps us to administer the board.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a couple of possibilities I can think of off the top of my head, although I'm sure there are others. Either way, though, maybe you should talk to her about what's going on?

Possibility 1: Maybe she's feeling pushed; she might be reacting to a subconscous feeling that you're pushing her to fight. I know that I get stubborn about doing things that I was interested (but not really really enthused about) when I feel pushed.

Possibility 2: She may feel that she has a limited time to spend on activities other than house/kids/etc., and have other priorities for that time. This:

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she's usually busy with cub scouts, library and lots of other things


sounds like that might be the case, or part of what's going on.

It could, of course (and probably is?) a mixture of a bunch of things that are going on.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aelfwynn wrote:
There are a couple of possibilities I can think of off the top of my head, although I'm sure there are others. Either way, though, maybe you should talk to her about what's going on?

Possibility 1: Maybe she's feeling pushed; she might be reacting to a subconscous feeling that you're pushing her to fight. I know that I get stubborn about doing things that I was interested (but not really really enthused about) when I feel pushed.

Possibility 2: She may feel that she has a limited time to spend on activities other than house/kids/etc., and have other priorities for that time. This:

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she's usually busy with cub scouts, library and lots of other things


sounds like that might be the case, or part of what's going on.

It could, of course (and probably is?) a mixture of a bunch of things that are going on.


I've talked with her about it before, with limited success.

You might be correct. She is getting pushed into this and she does have limited time. It's like getting pushed into chocolate hot-tub in a way...if someone is demanding you do something you like, you might not do it.

I'll just back off completely and let her ease into it. I still think mentorship would be great, but just not from me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaron - She might develop an interest after you get settled down in Maryland. There are several women fighters regularly at the College Park practice, and we keep meaning to come up now and then. (My daughter would love to have some other pokemon-loving kids to play with during practice.)

I know with me, I did not have any serious issues with doing this and being a woman pre-children, but I did have major issues with doing this and being a mother. Mothers are supposed to be nurturing, not whacking people with sticks. It was so bad that when I did fight in a tournament, I would tell the family to stay away and not watch. If I saw them, I'd get an oxytocin rush and be hopeless. I have stuck with it, at least on and off, and it does seem to be wearing off as I embrace my crone-hood. (Old ladies in my family are a scary lot.)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aaron - She might develop an interest after you get settled down in Maryland. There are several women fighters regularly at the College Park practice, and we keep meaning to come up now and then. (My daughter would love to have some other pokemon-loving kids to play with during practice.)


God Bless you Cunian!

My kids LOVE pokemon.

Could you volunteer as a mentor? I'll squire to her at College Park and she can get some stick time in.

Maybe it is being mommy that is doing it to her.

-Aaron
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had two. (My youngest just turned 2 yrs old)..

My huge problem was coming back after having been out... I wanted to be the same skill level I was before.

The longer she is out, the more convinced she will be that she'll be pummeled when she comes back because everyone will be expecting her to fight at the same level she did when she was out. You (or someone she trusts) could offer to do just some quiet low-key no pressure slow no power fighting in the back yard or something. NOT at a fight practice!

And really do it. Let her decide the speed/power levels for a bit.

(edited to add:)
And it's not a female thing, either. Any fighter who's been out for a bit is that nervous. Some get over it, some don't.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Aaron-

I am sorry to say this, but maybe you are a little too insisting. Maybe wanting to be helpful too much.
I know it would be frustrating if she didn´t fight anymore after all that energy that was put in it. But your wife needs to get her mind free to really go in herself and figure what she wants. She gets quite under some pressure if there is someone trying to push her. Especially finding a mentor for her right now- which means a secound person to push- might be a bad idea.
I think, you should just give up on her fighting for a while and see what happens. It might be that she gets her butt up on her own, to show she really wants to do it. Might be she paddles back a little and takes some more time out because she needs it. Or drops out of fighting for the reason of life forever.
I learned to know you Aaron and I found out in that few hours that you can be very insisting. This can be a good thing, but sometimes it can be a little too much.
If your wife shows up here on her own and wants to find a mentor- that is nice. This would proove she really wants one.

Sorry if I have been to hard or if I am wrong with my guessings. But think about it a while.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a peek at Toys r Us for some of those new foam swords- grab a couple a leave them around the house- they're fun, hard to get hurt with and are super light- which makes them great for doing slow work & re building technique...
Also: it is really hard to pack up kids and armour for practice... if you start taking your kids to practice, it'll become routine, making it easier for her to hop in too if she wants.

I stopped fighting for four years- nothing to do with kids... I'd gained some weight, started a new business and I just wasn't that into it. I put armour back on because I really wanted to fight in our principality's first coronet (it seemed like this big historical thing and I wanted to be on the lists, even if I'd be out in two) and somehow this time I fell into it and haven’t looked back.

I was so much more into learning, but physical strength was an issue- so instead of doing slow work with my sword and shield we made me a 1/4"thick shield, with no boss that I could hold up more comfortably and cut a piece of one by two the same length as my sword. I could really work on technique, and slowly build up strength, so I never felt crappy about "not even being able to hold up my shield" when I was doing slow/ pell work.

I guess my bottom line is not everyone wants to fight- or finds it fun -don't worry about what she's doing, worry about yourself and see if she comes back to it. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robyn wrote:

I learned to know you Aaron and I found out in that few hours that you can be very insisting. This can be a good thing, but sometimes it can be a little too much.


Hi Robyn,

You are right. I can be more than a bit much.

As an example of how insisting I am, the first life-sized painting I had in the house is of my wife in the first suit of armour she had, back when she fought with the Bloodguard. She told me no more portraits of her in the house, but she doesn't take the paintings down... Laughing Don't worry, I've got portraits of both the kids too as well as the entire family in garb.

I'm still in awe that my wife said "Yes" eleven years ago (well on the 19th). If you think I was intense at Pennsic, my wife has to live with me all the time and when I'm around her she is my sole focus for every bit of insisting and intensity I have. I'm a bit much to live with sometimes, and I really can't shut off the mania I have for her easily. I'm sort of larger than life, all the time.

I will back away and not assist. Everything you've said and the obvious data (bought two suits...) suggest I'm attempting something that she may not want.

At the same time I know she loved it at one time. And I don't want her to turn away because she fears something she once loved. But if you love something, let it go....

And I still appreciate the hug at Pennsic Robyn. It helped me get over missing my daughter. Maybe I can start working with the kids, just by leaving helmets and boffers around.

Your overinsistant friend,

-Aaron

PS: I'd still drag you of to a dinner with a Duke if you didn't say no. Wink


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrenn wrote:
Take a peek at Toys r Us for some of those new foam swords-


Ooooo... Got a link?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?p=888931

Give you an idea- I think we bought ours at Wal Mart... about 2 months ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not finding them on the toysrus website (the only foam sword I found was a pirates of the caribbean 2 one).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am actually in the same boat, believe it or not. I've never been a natural housewife, but I do it because it benefits my family. However I have found that it presents it's own unique hurdles that people don't really think about. Most people think being a stay at home mom must be easy, that we have all this free time and don't have to worry about work or whatever. But at the same time it means mom's job lasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. There's no weekends or vacation time. There's not start time and stop time. I've been struggling lately with the feeling of being cloistered in and stuck in a rut. The more stuck I feel the more helpless I feel and that has been leading me to laziness. I feel out of shape and I haven't picked up a sword or a stick for over a year now. I'm at the point now where I really want to start fighting again but I am having to pull myself up by my bootstraps and get started. No matter how much encouragement someone offers, in the end the only person that can really motivate me to get out and do it is me. It's very frustrating.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Aaron

If your wife really wanted to fight right now, she probably just would. I'm going to share something that I haven't verbalized to anyone before, and it may or may not apply. I do hope it doesn't, but it bears thinking about:

I fenced for a few years, and did pretty good. (I could have done better if I'd gotten to practice more regularily Very Happy ). I had taken time off because of heart issues, and when I wanted, and was able, to come back I was unable to deal with the fact that people who started after I left are now way better than me. And at least one of those people is really arrogant. I felt so humiliated that I didn't even try, I just stayed away. I guess, by changing to armored combat, I'm still staying away. I'm okay with that part, as long as I get my butt back onto the field one way or another.

Meanwhile, please be proud of her for deciding on her priorities at this time and following her heart. Priorities change, (and they can change back again!)

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